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I've been dragging for the last week so I did something I haven't done in a long time.. I played hooky from work.I do it prolly 2x year and do stuff like go to the movies alone.. This time I just slept.. the whole morning, watched some tv and didn't do crap. I lied at work and said it was stomach issues. I just needed to decompress. I told DH the truth of course so he got outta work early and brought me home a real nice fish plate. I ate it ALL .. even the rice.. but in 2 sittings. I went to gym, got in a impromptu session with the trainer and then DH and I watched a movie. Sometimes I just need a break from work, mom, kids, and pets.. SO today is my regular day off and I'm super charged. Gonna work on the house (it needs it bad) and then get in a rock star work out.
SO question of the day: Im sure we've touched on this before but it keeps coming back up and I will admit, I have not found my maintenance thresh hold and still struggle.I mentioned to the trainer that I felt tired a lot lately and his take on that is " add more carbs" bc I'm working out and lifting I need more carbs for energy and to build more muscle. Now everyone knows this subject stresses me out beyond belief and of course when i asked " wont upping my carbs stall my weight loss" his face went blank for a minute. I mentioned how Im up to 40 net some days and even added in some bread/grains here and there and he said that still wasn't enough. I think his mindset is in that of lifting/gaining muscle which is what I want but I also want to lose weight. Can you successfully be low carb and still lose weight while gaining muscle??
View Diet Calendar, 11 November 2015:
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1225 kcal
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Fat: 75.47g | Prot: 83.44g | Carbs: 65.99g.
Breakfast: Blueberries, Egg, Sugar in the Raw Stevia in The Raw (Packet), Albertsons Heavy Whipping Cream, Coffee, Cantaloupe Melons, Strawberries. Lunch: Cucumber (with Peel), Cooked Mushrooms (Fat Added in Cooking), Beef Rib Eye (Small End, Trimmed to 0" Fat, Choice Grade). Dinner: Sour Cream, Duke's Mayonnaise, Cabbage, Tilapia (Fish). Snacks/Other: Pears, Tomatoes, Kroger Low Fat Cottage Cheese, low carb bar. more...
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2971 kcal
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Exercise:
Bicycling (slow) - 18/kph - 30 minutes, Weight Training (moderate) - 1 hour and 20 minutes, Housework - 3 hours, Walking (exercise) - 5.5/kph - 30 minutes, Resting - 10 hours and 40 minutes, Sleeping - 8 hours. more...
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Absolutely you can! Have you upped your carbs lately? Could account for some of the tiredness too. I'm like you, unfortunately, I feel and see every carb I eat. I've tried so many times over the years to even get up to 60 carbs/day and it always leads to a backslide or a weight gain/tired feeling. It sucks, but my PCOS rules my body. :(
11 Nov 15 by member: babyweight2010
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Sure you can, unless you're a scroney person. Thinner people may need carbs because of the higher metabolism. Maybe it's the type of carbs that you're eating that is zapping your energy.
11 Nov 15 by member: BulletProof3
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Short answer - I don't know. There is some controversy regarding whether it's possible to both reduce body mass and also build it by adding muscle at the same time. I've heard it argued both ways, I can only say I don't know. IN MY OPINION ONLY - I'm kind of skeptical that it can be done effectively both at the same time. But I'm no expert. One study I found very interesting involved subjects put on a caloric excess diet in a controlled environment 24hrs/day. Calories consumed in excess of TDEE was constant and equal for all groups; one group consumed a high level of protein, one average, one low protein. Over time the group eating excess calories but low protein levels actually lost lean body mass. All 3 groups gained weight, the groups eating average and above average protein gained fat AND muscle mass. So I guess my only meaningful contribution to this is make sure you're getting adequate protein to build muscle as low levels caused loss of muscle even with excess calories. By the way, percentage of fat in the diets of all 3 groups was constant, the variables were protein and carbs. I would love to see a similar study done on a calorie deficit diet and have carbs as the primary variable, that would hopefully provide some good information, but doubtful it will be done.
11 Nov 15 by member: jmb3450
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...and the time of day you're having them can also play a part. I save my carbs for the evening so that if I have an energy drop, it's tired for bed anyway.
11 Nov 15 by member: BulletProof3
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We all need a mental health day every now and then. Just a little break for our sanity. As for building muscles while losing fat, I think it's possible but not easy, I think the key is to have adequate protein in your diet. You should be able to see strength gains and improvement in tone even without adding muscle. As for being tired, it could be your diet or the time of the year or stress level or over training or a host of other issues.
11 Nov 15 by member: CatHerder
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May also want to try Super B Complex vitamins too.
11 Nov 15 by member: MightyFull
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I am not doing low carb so cannot give current expert advice on that type of weight reduction plan. Take a gander at my food recording; I am reducing my weight. I eat carbs but try to keep everything in balance. It has been my experience over the many years (a long time veteran of the diet wars) that doing something that you cannot sustain for the long term will not help you to maintain. When you can afford to do so, I would suggest that you see a dietician/nutritionist that has a degree; their advice can be invaluable. That's what I did the end of last year and it was worth every penny. My insurance even covered part of it. Good luck!!
11 Nov 15 by member: kclab
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I also cannot say how it will affect your low carb plan. I lost weight and have maintained for over a year eating lots of whole food carbs, whole grains, legumes, lots of fruits and veggies. Limited calories and controlled fat and little meat. Right now I've upped the animal protein due to a low grade infection from an infected tooth (will be pulled next wed), if I'm fighting something the added protein seems to help me feel better. Agree with kclab that to succeed your plan has to be one you can live with forever. Not one you go on and off of. I figured mine out on my own as the docs kept recommending low carb or really low fat both made me feel awful, not my current doc (she likes my plan). Good for you taking a mental health day. Sometimes you just need to escape the norm.
11 Nov 15 by member: wholefoodnut
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I agree with CatHerder - we need adequate protein to build muscle. If you are doing ketogenic, you energy comes from the fats. if you are not doing ketogenic, I might first try upping the protein if increased carbs causes gains
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And you could be over training which will cause fatigue - the muscles need rest, too.
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11 Nov 15 by member: feraferi
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"The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" maybe a good read for you. Good luck! :)
12 Nov 15 by member: BulletProof3
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eat your carbs from Vegetables or a little fruit, these are the only carbs we need ,, all other carbs are not necessary for your body to function . Your trainer has no clue he is telling you what he was taught,, its really not his fault he doesn't know . You can train totally fat adapted,, get more rest ,, maybe the bread is what's making you tired ,, hmmm imagine that ??? I am tired to by the end of the day,, but I have been up since 4 AM any normal person would be tired . if rest is what you need get some rest,, ITS NOT THAT YOU NEED MORE CARBS . I hate that !!! sorry My rant
12 Nov 15 by member: Tamarah Jo
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You need a good balance and protein. Way to go on playing hooky we all need a mental health day once in a while
12 Nov 15 by member: Rockiesfan
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i def can benefit from more fruit and vegetables for sure.. ive been slacking in that dept. And i feel my occasional cheats here and there may be the cause for the fogginess.. which I hate to admit, i did it to myself.I like the idea of finding a nutritionist. And I agree with you Tamarah, he doesnt know jack about low carb. I like HCB's idea of upping my protien.. which again, ive been slacking. And I agree, maybe I need more down time.. even super woman needs a vacay..
12 Nov 15 by member: redgirl1974
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12 Nov 15 by member: Tamarah Jo
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I am still having a rough time being okay with all the fat I am supposed to be eating. Once I have adapted though I feel way better---going to need some fat bombs. I play hooky from life once in a while if I can get away with it.
12 Nov 15 by member: linkmcgregor1
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I'm chiming in a bit late but you can be low carb and still have GAINZ, hopefully looking at my BodySpace logs can show that. If anything my weight loss has stalled a bit (scale weight, not actually body fat). I think that my body is building muscle and loosing fat at the same time. Last month I was able to maintain my muscle and ONLY loose fat which I've been told is nearly impossible. You do not need carbs to build/maintain muscle, you need insulin for muscle synthases. You usually get insulin from dietary carbohydrates, but through GNG your body can produce sufficient glucose to cause your insulin level to go up. It's an interesting way to go about things but your body is more than capable of building muscle in the absence of dietary carbs. I've been able to see this happening several times by testing my pre & post glucose levels. I would go from a pre BG level of the high 60s to well over 115 after about 2 hours of lifting weight (no cardio). You may argue that the glucose raise was due to glycogen depletion but being keto-adapted, I think that that is a lesser possibility. Hopefully you can be reassured by looking at my food log here and my gym results over on BodyBuilding that you CAN have GAINZ and eat low/no carbs.
15 Nov 15 by member: Frosty Heimdall
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